(Int) Distributed

WIKI: https://github.com/Foxcool/distributed_conf/wiki<br><br>International (english speaking) group, that's connected to russian P2P community <a href="https://t.me/distributed">@distributed</a>

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https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/bnqptz/decentralization_gets_a_surprising_boost_from_the/
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working
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openlet [matrix]: from matrix to telegram - not working
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openlet [matrix]: whoami: bridge forwards messages only from telegram here
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risks is getting higher year by year, profit from the network is getting lower - less content, lowest quality of conversation
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today I doubt why I need to keep home edge computing node or share my bandwidth for freifunk
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openlet [matrix]: =\
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for ftn - community which existed only there, as well as an access model ( quite hierarchical )
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for campus networks back then it was a internet access sharing
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question is - it never last longer that it had a reason for participants
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I have an experience in the past in campus network building ( homenet's ), friends-based FTN networks and so on
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That is exactly what I am thinking of last years
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user1234 [matrix]: failed
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passed
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openlet [matrix]: Test
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BOOM! https://vlang.io/play
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Other way we could just simply implement a bandwidth chain from offline location to online location with microtransactions for every routing node in a chain
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But there are coming a few problems like "how to motivate edge nodes / supernodes" or "how to make independent homeservers deployment accesable to a dummy user" or "how to make a trully distributed federation" or even just "who exactly is gonna pay for bandwidth" In a some way I actually know how to make user phone communicate with router and send direct pay for router for accessing network, but it seems impossible to propagate this idea just like that. I think firtsly local organisers will pay for a bandwidth or just a provide free internet access point for everyone in exchange for subscription for an organiser work. Like you came to a coffe-shop, join network, subscribe to a local chat and have a free network access. Coffie-shop get a new community member and a new customer, so it is motivated to have a local mesh node always online. Users in this case get free network access without neccesarity to pay
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Okay, so my point of a view - we actually can build a bandwitch market on a mesh network on Ethereum blockchain, I know how to build it
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hehe, did the tree make any noises when it's fall if nobody in the woods? I mean sidechains possibly can work with fragmentating networks. Other solutions from layer two can work with it as well I suppose. If network starts fragmentation it can create just a new branch inside of it. Mmm... imagine that tommorow russian goverment will cut of runet from internet, what will happens to crypto? Russian miners network reconfigure itself, and payments will working, but now it will be unnatural and unwanted fork of blockchain if we are talking about bitcoin for example Sharding, sidechains and other solution of second layer can do this process more stable and effective in small networks and thin networks as well
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IMO any blockchain-like payment system is incompatible with small and fragmentating networks...
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Plus some smart-contract, which can check hash for submitted message and hash of message, that we transfer inside of transaction. This how possibly validate message and give sender a guarantee of message delivery
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cjdelisle [matrix]: anyway, nap time
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cjdelisle [matrix]: If I'm going to use a non-memory-safe language, it might as well be C
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cjdelisle [matrix]: Problem with vlang AFAICT is it's not memory safe
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I has some ideas on this point, but I didn't find a solution about how we can spread supernodes globally on the globe. But I find a way how to implement bandwitch market in some basic nature. Sender (offline) can simply attach transaction with it's message like a "bank check". The first one in network who submit message (online access) execute transaction
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some photos here https://medium.com/@ksenia_1915/прекрасные-интернеты-будущего-интервью-с-создателем-протокола-cjdns-b081742873e8
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cjdelisle [matrix]: Right indeed, Xenia
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from @parisburns channel
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good case for @Kissmychaos she already interviewed you
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A different project. I think we will start just from deploing new homeserver and a new client (like Riot) In a short term we will focus on simply payment functionality addition and local chats/checkins (libp2p stack) - that will bring business customers to the network (like event organisators and authors with payable subsription). So business will have interest to keep local mesh nodes online and provide his guests free wi-fi access points. And also give us some financing of course ^^' Then I think we prepare staitless homeserver containers to deployment in any network (probably sonm) and give users opportunity to deploy its own independet homeserver connected to federation and we can use self-sufficiency mesh network as reserve channel of distributed messages. I guess this way it will work
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cjdelisle [matrix]: If someone would like to do an interview and translate it for the mesh community, I could talk a bit about what I'm working on and how it might be helpful. Only thing is we're trying not to spread it to people who are not interested in meshnet and just want to make quick money...
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cjdelisle [matrix]: not yet, thank you for the link
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Oh, CJD, you love C-like languages, did you hear about that? Russian developer from NL is writing a new language without GC, it looks like a mixture of Go and Rust. Publish source code in the middle of the year. https://vlang.io/
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That's a nice idea. I thought about resource trading too. But i looked towards Ripple (before they switched to distributed concensus).
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cjdelisle [matrix]: I'm trying to talk about it only with people who are really interested in doing stuff in the meshnet direction, not with greedy crypto people
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cjdelisle [matrix]: I'm working on a project currently to build a blockchain which will enable bandwidth markets using cjdns
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cjdelisle [matrix]: ok
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only this chat
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cjdelisle [matrix]: any in English ?
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this chat, also as many others its part of our big russian community @distributed @idistributed @ru_philosophy @ru_traders @ru_freelancers @p2p_disturbed @meshnet @anarcho_hardware @mind_hacking
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we made a russian-speaking github community, mainly because I was tired of changing the pinned message on the russian telegram channel @meshnet. Just notice https://github.com/russian-meshnet https://github.com/russian-meshnet/meshnet-chat-agenda
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A different project? Or some addition to the Matrix?
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cjdelisle [matrix]: Link ?
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I'm actually currently working on such project
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cjdelisle [matrix]: And it's implemented poorly
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I see. When I read about Matrix event propagation/eventual consistency that shares some characteristics of a blockchain, i thought it's a good idea. But to make online chat independent of public infrastructure such a system needs supernodes or automatic proxies..
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cjdelisle [matrix]: yeah, it needs the public web :(
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Does it work ok trough private internets then? By the overview of Matrix I understood that its federation is highly dependant on domain names. I didn't have time to check all this yet...
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cjdelisle [matrix]: I think there is only 1